ISCA: Feminist And Female IssuesThe ISCABBS forum: Feminist And Female Issues(Steppenwolf39552) - Well, if that's how you're defining feminism, then yes, I wasn't taking that- June 3, 2008 Well, if that&39;s how you&39;re defining feminism, then yes, I wasn&39;t taking that into account. I wonder, however, why that&39;s specifically feminist to you. The implication is that women need more help with attaining self-esteem than men. DO you feel that&39;s true, and if so, why It seems to me that this certainly may be true, but the reasons for that truth are (again) structural aspects of society that cause women to need such help. In other words, rather than focusing on the...http://rss.iscabbs.com/getpost.cgi?forum=40&post=39552 (Hroswitha39550) - I would seriously take issue with the idea that women are more emotionally- June 3, 2008 I would seriously take issue with the idea that women are more emotionally dependent on men than vice versa. In my experience, it can go both ways, but I&39;ve seen far more middle-aged or elderly men who have leaned on wives to be their emtional agent, their charge d&39;affaire, their social directors, cooks, maids, interpreters, sounding boards, organizers, and all other functions, fall apart upon divorce or death. I know I&39;ve seen studies indicating that, among couples who have been...http://rss.iscabbs.com/getpost.cgi?forum=40&post=39550 (Fantasia39549) - According to the movie, she had at least two female lovers and one American- June 3, 2008 According to the movie, she had at least two female lovers and one American male lover.http://rss.iscabbs.com/getpost.cgi?forum=40&post=39549 (Fantasia39548) - I think we're differing in our interpretations of "feminism." To me, feminism- June 3, 2008 I think we&39;re differing in our interpretations of "feminism." To me, feminism isn&39;t just about equal treatment, but about women&39;s self-esteem independent of men. Jealousy is not consistent with that. Also, because women tend to be far more emotionally dependent on men than men are on women, it&39;s one of feminism&39;s challenges (I would think).http://rss.iscabbs.com/getpost.cgi?forum=40&post=39548 (Steppenwolf39547) - Sorry, posted before I saw your follow-up.- June 3, 2008 Sorry, posted before I saw your follow-up. To be clear, it&39;s not "taking advantage" that is or is not problematic, it&39;s the cause of that advantage--to wit, emotional dependence. Insofar as emotional dependence is a feature of all relationships, I&39;m unwilling to call it an inherently feminist issue. The feminist issues come in when structural components of the relationship make it possible for one gender to inflict more damage than the other. In other words, the problem...http://rss.iscabbs.com/getpost.cgi?forum=40&post=39547 (Steppenwolf39546) - I guess I don't know what you mean by that question. I don't think that's what- June 3, 2008 I guess I don&39;t know what you mean by that question. I don&39;t think that&39;s what I was saying. When it comes down to it, I don&39;t think that emotional dependence has anything to do with feminism. Emotional dependence isn&39;t gendered. Women can be jealous of men or women. Men can be jealous of men or women. The institution of marriage becomes antifeminist not when it creates the possibility of emotional dependence, but when it&39;s designed so that men have _more_...http://rss.iscabbs.com/getpost.cgi?forum=40&post=39546 (Fantasia39545) - Steppenwolf, a follow-up thought -- you say Simone as a human was taken- June 3, 2008 Steppenwolf, a follow-up thought -- you say Simone as a human was taken advantage of as a human, not as a woman taken advantage of by a man. How do you know when M (male) takes advantage of F (female) that it&39;s an assault on feminism v. an assault on humanity of F In other words, you characterized Simone&39;s position as something that happens in any relationship regardless of gender. But doesn&39;t the fact that that dynamic systematically occurs to women at the hands of men necessitate...http://rss.iscabbs.com/getpost.cgi?forum=40&post=39545 (Fantasia39544) - So then the difference between feminism and lack thereof lies on a sliding- June 3, 2008 So then the difference between feminism and lack thereof lies on a sliding scale that can be determined by a line-drawing exercisehttp://rss.iscabbs.com/getpost.cgi?forum=40&post=39544 (Steppenwolf39543) - Well, don't you think that such dependencies are one of the dangers of _any_- June 3, 2008 Well, don&39;t you think that such dependencies are one of the dangers of _any_ relationship I don&39;t think a theory of feminism that requires from us absolute emotional independence is realistic. When we enter close relationships with others, we find ourselves to some extent dependent on them for happiness. When we start to trust others, we can be wounded by violations of that trust... and yet, in that complete vulnerability, we can find our greatest strength, too. In short, de...http://rss.iscabbs.com/getpost.cgi?forum=40&post=39543 (Fantasia39542) - Yes. She "served" him not by bearing his kids, but by helping him write his- June 3, 2008 Yes. She "served" him not by bearing his kids, but by helping him write his books. And felt as unappreciated as the next soccer mom. And by being jealous, she also found herself subject to emotional dependence on him.http://rss.iscabbs.com/getpost.cgi?forum=40&post=39542 |