Comments on: Money And Valuesn. the principle of good order "Observe the strange inversion of all order and sense! Dignity debased; how vilely is the function of a consul prostituted!" ~The Craftsmanby: Ashish George- November 19, 2007 Maybe. I think that, at the very least, pro-lifers and animal rights advocates can learn a lot from each other. Now that there seems to be a greater emphasis on humanitarian causes like Darfur and human trafficking among evangelicals, the two groups can share similar heroes--William Wilberforce, for example.http://larison.org/2007/11/16/money-and-values/#comment-8138 by: Consumatopia- November 18, 2007 (I am pro-choice, but as a vegan I appreciate this predicament because I feel a similar strategy is required for those who advocate vegetarianism or veganism.) But supporters of animal rights still try to pass laws respecting animal welfare wherever possible--dolphin-safe tuna nets, for example. The hope is to put us on a virtuous slippery slope towards respect for animal rights as these restrictions rachet up. The analogue for the pro-life movement would be to refocus away from conception...http://larison.org/2007/11/16/money-and-values/#comment-8136 by: Daniel Larison- November 17, 2007 I agree, GOM, but at the rate we're going the claim that the other side is always worse will probably cease to be true at some point, at least at the level of the leadership.http://larison.org/2007/11/16/money-and-values/#comment-8132 by: MuteNostrilAgony- November 17, 2007 Ms. Williams is also voting Republican for the sake of "free trade" deals that outsource middle class and entry-level jobs to India, and for the sake of plunging the U.S. military head-first into no-win wars in the Muslim world. Yup, her slavish devotion to the GOP makes perfect sense to me. This circumstance is producing the worst of both worlds for social conservatives. On the one hand, the Republicans are this close to being reduced to a Southern regional party. (Zell Miller, the joke is on.http://larison.org/2007/11/16/money-and-values/#comment-8129 by: Grumpy Old Man- November 17, 2007 The dilemma is that no matter how precipitous the decline of the GOP, the Other Party is worse. There used to be conservative Dems, but they are a precious few, the primaries being dominated by leftist oikophobes and Nanny Staters. The party of DeLay vs. the party of Sharpton. Hmm, typhus vs. cholera.http://larison.org/2007/11/16/money-and-values/#comment-8128 by: Daniel Larison- November 16, 2007 I am familiar with Mr. Hart's article. If he is right, there is even less reason for pro-lifers to remain reflexively loyal to the GOP. Indeed, the political alliance with Republicans might prove to be an impediment in the work of persuasion that you mention. I am still not entirely persuaded by Hart's argument, but I do agree that the goal has to be to persuade people that abortion is wrong. I don't see that as being at odds with introducing laws that penalise abortionists, but a...http://larison.org/2007/11/16/money-and-values/#comment-8124 by: Ashish George- November 16, 2007 Jeffrey Hart has argued--correctly, in my opinion--that given the large number of women of reproductive age who will have an abortion at some point in their lives and the autonomy that seems to indicate they will insist upon, conservatives should move past abortion because, barring some great change in women's attitudes, any change to the law will not diminish the reality of the high demand for abortions. "This has been a focus of conservative, and national, attention since Roe v. Wade. Yet..http://larison.org/2007/11/16/money-and-values/#comment-8122 |