CORRECT: I made a serious gaff in the construction...- April 28, 2006 CORRECT: I made a serious gaff in the construction of my sentence. I should have written:"The notion of "merit" as we no hold it is quite different from what was intended in the 13th century, which has much more in commmon with the 6th THAN WITH the 16th century (as it was then interpreted by the reformers)." Goodness.. I wouldn't have wanted to say that the ancient notion of "merit" had anything to do with the Reformers' interpretation!http://ad-orientem.blogspot.com/2006/04/tridentine-mass-why-do-orthodox-care.html?showComm... Thank you for your reply. Without seeming argument...- April 28, 2006 Thank you for your reply. Without seeming argumentative, I must point out that the practice was widespread in the West, as a survey of the collects from the "Gelasian", "Gregorian", and "Leonine" sacramentaries will show. (These sacramentaries date from the early 600s through the 800s but are not from the pontificates of those particular Popes). The doctrine of the merits of the saints to which you object did not occur until 600 years _after_ those sacramentaries, in the 13th century. Moreover,.http://ad-orientem.blogspot.com/2006/04/tridentine-mass-why-do-orthodox-care.html?showComm... anonymous, Your point is accurate. However the ...- April 27, 2006 anonymous, Your point is accurate. However the practice was not widespread in either the west or east. Also it must be clearly stated that the concept of the merits of the saints in the modern RCC has evolved into something that is alien to orthodoxy.http://ad-orientem.blogspot.com/2006/04/tridentine-mass-why-do-orthodox-care.html?showComm... Aristibule,Your observations corrections are ent...- April 27, 2006 Aristibule,Your observations corrections are entirely correct and accurate.http://ad-orientem.blogspot.com/2006/04/tridentine-mass-why-do-orthodox-care.html?showComm... To be precise, the 1904 Russian Observations were ...- April 27, 2006 To be precise, the 1904 Russian Observations were on the BCP of 1892, which was never implemented using that exact BCP. The St. Tikhon's was based on a Catholicized (AnglicanAmerican Missal) use of the 1928 American BCP (1977, Incarnation-Detroit, Fr. Joseph Angwin and Met. PHILIP), The Russian implementation of those same observations (1997, Saint Petroc, Abp HILARION and Fr. Hieromonk Michael) uses rather the 1549. I know, lots of different BCP dates - easy to get confused (1892 and 1928...http://ad-orientem.blogspot.com/2006/04/tridentine-mass-why-do-orthodox-care.html?showComm... You mention Orthodox objection to the mention of t...- April 26, 2006 You mention Orthodox objection to the mention of the "merits of the saints" in the Western liturgy. According to Occidentalis, a Western Rite Orthodox blog, this aspect of the Western liturgy dates at least from the time of St. Leo the Great and has parallels in the eastern tradition. See article here.http://ad-orientem.blogspot.com/2006/04/tridentine-mass-why-do-orthodox-care.html?showComm... |