Re: (random) musings on IO disciplines by Bart Lateur- September 30, 2000 On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:56:37 -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote:>My gut feel is that there&39;ll be a "default encoding" for filehandles and we >won&39;t try and get clever.My gut feeling says that the text read from file should be treated asnative text, and should remain native text. I want plain Mac text files,and plain Mac text, on a Mac. Sure, I like the idea of convertingISO-Latin-1 text files into Mac format or back, or turn any kind of textinto UTF8 (the real thing, not native...http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.internals.unicode/2000/09/msg14.html Re: (random) musings on IO disciplines by Simon Cozens- September 27, 2000 On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 04:56:37PM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote:> My gut feel is that there&39;ll be a "default encoding" for filehandles and we > won&39;t try and get clever.Yup, that&39;s what the Line Disciplines RFC proposes.-- Chopping wood won&39;t stop the rage We need targets on war we wage It&39;s all part of the process We all love looking down All we wantis some success But the chance is never around - Morcheeba, Part of the Processhttp://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.internals.unicode/2000/09/msg13.html Re: (random) musings on IO disciplines by Dan Sugalski- September 27, 2000 At 04:49 PM 92700 -0400, Andy Dougherty wrote:>On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Dan Sugalski wrote:>> > Perl will, presumably, know how to go from A to B, and deal with that. If> > you do something that wants UTF8 and your scalar&39;s got EBCDIC data in it,> > then perl will do the conversion on the fly.>>I&39;m more worried that perl might mistakenly think the scalar&39;s got>EBCDIC when, in fact, it&39;s just random binary data. I want to be sure>there&39;s a way to...http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.internals.unicode/2000/09/msg12.html Re: (random) musings on IO disciplines by Andy Dougherty- September 27, 2000 On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Dan Sugalski wrote:> Perl will, presumably, know how to go from A to B, and deal with that. If > you do something that wants UTF8 and your scalar&39;s got EBCDIC data in it, > then perl will do the conversion on the fly.I&39;m more worried that perl might mistakenly think the scalar&39;s gotEBCDIC when, in fact, it&39;s just random binary data. I want to be surethere&39;s a way to tell perl "hands off".> I expect that Larry&39;ll get it right. Yes, I..http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.internals.unicode/2000/09/msg11.html Re: (random) musings on IO disciplines by Dan Sugalski- September 27, 2000 At 03:04 PM 92700 -0400, Andy Dougherty wrote:>On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Dan Sugalski wrote:>> > Well, the impression I get from Larry is that he wants the internals to be> > character-formatting neutral. Scalars should be able to provide their> > contents in a number of different formats, but perl would usually not have> > One True Format internally.>>I may be way off base here, but this seems to me like it would also>help with the PDLnumerical pythonWperl...http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.internals.unicode/2000/09/msg10.html Re: (random) musings on IO disciplines by Dan Sugalski- September 27, 2000 At 02:55 PM 92700 -0400, Andy Dougherty wrote:>On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Dan Sugalski wrote:>> > Well, the impression I get from Larry is that he wants the internals to be> > character-formatting neutral. Scalars should be able to provide their> > contents in a number of different formats, but perl would usually not have> > One True Format internally.>> > I think the intention is that if data comes in in ASCII or EBCDIC or> > Unicode or Shift-JIS or...http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.internals.unicode/2000/09/msg9.html Re: (random) musings on IO disciplines by Dan Sugalski- September 27, 2000 At 07:20 PM 92700 +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote:>On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 01:26:18PM -0400, Dan Sugalski wrote:> > At 11:04 PM 92600 +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:> > >Well, let&39;s go over here, then. I just submitted an RFC for internal > string> > >abstraction, which may or may not be the same thing as what you were just> > >talking about.> >> > Well, the impression I get from Larry is that he wants the internals to be> >...http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.internals.unicode/2000/09/msg8.html RFC 322 (v1) Abstract Internals String Interaction by Perl6 RFC Librarian- September 27, 2000 This and other RFCs are available on the web at http:dev.perl.orgrfc=head1 TITLEAbstract Internals String Interaction=head1 VERSION Maintainer: Simon Cozens <simonbrecon.co.uk> Date: 26 Sep 2000 Mailing List: perl6-internals-unicodeperl.org Number: 322 Version: 1 Status: Developing=head1 ABSTRACTAll accesses to strings and portions of strings inside the Perl 6 coreshould be abstracted.=head1 DESCRIPTIONAlthough RFC 294 states that data will be in UTF8 internally, there&39;sgoing to.http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.internals.unicode/2000/09/msg7.html Re: (random) musings on IO disciplines by Andy Dougherty- September 27, 2000 On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Dan Sugalski wrote:> Well, the impression I get from Larry is that he wants the internals to be > character-formatting neutral. Scalars should be able to provide their > contents in a number of different formats, but perl would usually not have > One True Format internally.I may be way off base here, but this seems to me like it would alsohelp with the PDLnumerical pythonWperl issues about dealing with largenumerical matrices.-- Andy...http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.internals.unicode/2000/09/msg6.html Re: (random) musings on IO disciplines by Andy Dougherty- September 27, 2000 On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Dan Sugalski wrote:> Well, the impression I get from Larry is that he wants the internals to be > character-formatting neutral. Scalars should be able to provide their > contents in a number of different formats, but perl would usually not have > One True Format internally. > I think the intention is that if data comes in in ASCII or EBCDIC or > Unicode or Shift-JIS or binary or whatever then perl will keep it that way > if it understands the format,...http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl6.internals.unicode/2000/09/msg5.html |