perl.advocacy...Re: Women in Perl was Re: Updatinghttp:history.perl.orgPerlTimeline.html by Dave Cross- May 2, 2008 Quoting Shlomi Fish <shlomifiglu.org.il>:> Now arguably, "chick" is a bit derogatory."Arguably"! "A bit"!!Either you&39;re practising the art of British understatement, or you really don&39;t know what you&39;re talking about.Dave...http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.advocacy/2008/05/msg2451.html Re: Women in Perl was Re: Updating http:history.perl.orgPerlTimeline.html by Shlomi Fish- May 1, 2008 Hi Dave!Thanks for your email. I didn&39;t explain myself properly. See below for my response.On Thursday 01 May 2008, Dave Rolsky wrote:> On Thu, 1 May 2008, Shlomi Fish wrote:> > I met on IRC1, or for saying "There&39;s a girl on perl", instead of> > "there&39;s a programmer on perl" or whatever.>> This sort of thing is classic sexism. You&39;re making a big deal out of> someone&39;s sex.No, I didn&39;t. See below.>> Imagine if every time you..http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.advocacy/2008/05/msg2450.html Re: Women in Perl was Re: Updating http:history.perl.orgPerlTimeline.html by Dave Rolsky- May 1, 2008 On Thu, 1 May 2008, Elaine Ashton wrote:> Negative version I just remembered the quote from David Allan Coe. Hey, I&39;m > a big fan of the guy who wrote the song "Take this job and shove it." What, > don&39;t I get points for thinking the original could have easily been from Mr. > Pry it from my cold dead hands Heston :DFurther research does find the Coe version, indeed.As far as crediting Heston, I think the original version does have some merit. It wasn&39;t like the...http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.advocacy/2008/05/msg2449.html Re: Women in Perl was Re: Updatinghttp:history.perl.orgPerlTimeline.html by Elaine Ashton- May 1, 2008 On 01 May, 2008, at 17:45, Dave Rolsky wrote:>> You all lose points. Shlomi loses for quoting the tagline to a > Spielberg film as if it were deep philosophy. Elaine loses for > managing to find the negative version, when most net sources seem > to go with the positive.Negative version I just remembered the quote from David Allan Coe. Hey, I&39;m a big fan of the guy who wrote the song "Take this job and shove it." What, don&39;t I get points for thinking the...http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.advocacy/2008/05/msg2448.html Re: Women in Perl was Re: Updating http:history.perl.orgPerlTimeline.html by Dave Rolsky- May 1, 2008 On Thu, 1 May 2008, Elaine Ashton wrote:> LOL. I was going to say that it must have been Charlton Heston, but then > remembered the real quote which is:>> "Freedom cannot be given... It can only be taken away."There seem to be a number of versions of this quote on the net. Some match the meaning above, but most others are more like "Freedom cannot be given, it must be taken".Apparently, this is the tagline for the film Amistad (http:www.imdb.comtitlett0118607)....http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.advocacy/2008/05/msg2447.html Re: Women in Perl was Re: Updatinghttp:history.perl.orgPerlTimeline.html by Elaine Ashton- May 1, 2008 "I heard somewhere that freedom cannot be given, and it must be taken and fought for."LOL. I was going to say that it must have been Charlton Heston, but then remembered the real quote which is:"Freedom cannot be given... It can only be taken away."I&39;ll merely wait and see just how things will change once all the little female perl spawn reach the age where they start asking difficult questions. :)e.http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.advocacy/2008/05/msg2446.html Re: Women in Perl was Re: Updating http:history.perl.orgPerlTimeline.html by Dave Rolsky- May 1, 2008 On Thu, 1 May 2008, Andy Lester wrote:>> Imagine if every time you logged on to IRC someone got all excited and said >> "There&39;s a Jew on perl". Would that make you feel comfortable Would you >> want to come back Would it make you feel included in the group>> This analogy is beautiful. It also points my annoyance with the entire > topic. We never talk about "Jews in Perl" or "Jews in open source".>> "How can we make Perl...http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.advocacy/2008/05/msg2445.html Re: Women in Perl was Re: Updating http:history.perl.orgPerlTimeline.html by Andy Lester- May 1, 2008 On May 1, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote:> Imagine if every time you logged on to IRC someone got all excited > and said "There&39;s a Jew on perl". Would that make you feel > comfortable Would you want to come back Would it make you feel > included in the groupThis analogy is beautiful. It also points my annoyance with the entire topic. We never talk about "Jews in Perl" or "Jews in open source"."How can we make Perl more inviting to..http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.advocacy/2008/05/msg2444.html Re: Women in Perl was Re: Updating http:history.perl.orgPerlTimeline.html by Dave Rolsky- May 1, 2008 On Thu, 1 May 2008, Shlomi Fish wrote:> I met on IRC1, or for saying "There&39;s a girl on perl", instead of "there&39;s> a programmer on perl" or whatever.This sort of thing is classic sexism. You&39;re making a big deal out of someone&39;s sex.Imagine if every time you logged on to IRC someone got all excited and said "There&39;s a Jew on perl". Would that make you feel comfortable Would you want to come back Would it make you feel included in the groupPart.http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.advocacy/2008/05/msg2443.html |